Politician as a "Guild Account"

[Aja]

k... i know its considered naughty to have 2 accounts and reap the rewards of having twice the number of land plots, a craftsman char and a warrior char, or whatever your reasons are, but... consider this:

Let's say, as a guild, we have an account that is created just for the sake of becoming a politician and being the Mayor of our future city Mythithippi (heheh), here is how we could benefit:

• noone needs to put skill points into Politician
  
• this politician would be the mayor for our city
  
• our mayor account would be accessible to the top 3 ranking members
  
• since the mayor account is run by 3 people, this adds tremendous flexability for this account. if someone needs the mayor, there would more than likely be someone available to log onto the account and do some mayoral duties
  
• Callandryn will no longer need to use his personal Land Plots for the PA house, we could transfer it to the mayor's account (i think that'll work)
  
• Since its definitely "our mayor" we will always stay in complete control of our city, and it will always be run with our best interests in mind. (i guess as long as we keep the popular vote, which shouldn't be a problem since we control zoning. We'll have to keep the city stocked with a majority of LOM members to insure this never changes)
  
• the mayor will never decide to one day leave our guild so we will never be faced with the problem of one day having a mayor that doesn't have our best interests in mind... hell its our city, lets keep control of it.
  
• guarantees that we can name the character a name that sounds "Mayorish"... though so far, we don't seem to have attracted any annoying player names to our guild, such as "Chewbookoo" so that doesn't really matter as of yet
  
• and much much more (ran out of ideas why it might be beneficial)

Why it may be a bad idea:

• It takes away an interesting chance for someone to completely roleplay that part as their own character...
  
• it may inhibit someone who was hoping to one day be our mayor (not sure if anyone was hoping to become our politician already or not--Thorsen perhaps? Not sure what your plans are besides architect... If that's the case... heheh, disregard this whole post, but if not then keep reading
  
• its kinda naughty
  
• someones gotta fork out another 10 bucks a month.
  

k, please, what do you all think? yes no maybe so?

[Thorsen (Aemon)]

Just as an over-all feeling.. bad idea.

"I didn't delete the town hall, you must have."
"It wasn't me, if you didn't do it, I know I didn't, she must have"
"I was at work, couldn't have been me"

yadda yadda yadda

As a side, Stas had my account name and password in shadowbane because my account held the guild merchant. We ran into no problems, but it wasn't an ideal situation.

/rant

And of course, the real reason. If we want to play the game, lets play the damn game. I loath folks that use mutiple accounts to recive an advantage. Yes I understand it's within the rules, but there's a REASON you can only have 1 charater per server (an idea a long overdue).


/end rant

[Aja]

actually... you can have 2 chars on a single server (jedi slot) and hence can reap the rewards in every negative possible way that having a single char was intended to prevent.

but i definitely understand your position. i do think its rather lame to have 2 accounts, though the lameness seems less paramount when its just one extra account for an entire guild.

i've always felt that politician would be an incredibly boring profession to roleplay. Also, considering the current abilities they have--there really isn't too much they can do playability-wise.

but in any case, who will be our politician? i have no qualms about making Aja part politician down the road (much down the road depending on how long it takes for me to make my FS slot active) but certainly not til then.

but in any case, the least of my concern was the bickering between the top 3, though it is certainly a viable concern that i had overlooked as a negative possibility. it just seems to me that with the current leadership in mind, i really can't imagine anything negative along those lines from occuring. and if it does, there wouldn't be much more of a risk to damaging the guild and the city then there would be putting the power in a single person, just it would be harder to place the blame on a single person for having done so.

[Thorsen (Aemon)]

I understand how you feel Aja, if Max were around to comment I know he'd back me up on this though. In SB a few of us had access to all the guild funds . Our funds were never stolen, even when a few top leadership left, but the official forums were loaded with posts about huge cities that had gone belly up for various reasons.

Some of my most favorite were (1) I didn't get my way so I took all the money out of the treasury. (2) <Guildmate> didn't heal me in a PvP fight, meaning the guild doesn't care about me so screw them. (3, my most favorite) We're friends in RL and he stole my girlfriend so I fuggered the entire 120 person guild.

And of course it's ALWAYS followed by this line "It's a game, no one really got hurt, IT'S NOT REAL MONEY."

Long rant cut short, you just never know.

I am more than happy to put up some skill points for politician. In fact, as soon as I get the required apprentice experience that is what I intend to do, I would hope that if I'm screwing up the city, or someone wants a turn they can run against me.

Having a mayor with a true election process set up seems like an obscene step forward in MMOG's, and just because we don't get a shiny new <insert better item here> every skill level by no means detracts from the fact that your in charge of the city, and if you don't keep people happy you won't be.

[Thorsen (Aemon)]

Not to beat a dieing horse, but here ya go
forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Politician&message.id=22347

Mos Krayt, Tatooine, Tempest server, Guild decided they wanted a new mayor, this chump is dead set on deleting the City Hall if he loses (Mayor is an alt of guild-member.)

[Aja]

hey, that's cool thorsen. very cool. in the original post i mentioned that if anyone already had plans to become the Politician (and hence probably the future mayor of our soon to be great nation) to disregard the post entirely. I've been feeling though that it may take us forever to get a politician by chance just from recruiting, and figured it be far away plans for anyone to take on the profession. I didn't realize we'd have someone pursing the profession so soon. I even pegged you as being the only possibility that i knew of, though i think i may have been basing that completly on the fact you are working towards architect, and those two professions (at least in this world--real world you'd have to be a lawyer or something, heheh) work very well together.

so, as i mentioned in the first post, since we do actually have a future candidate, please disregard the post

ps: i have no doubt that you would run the city well when we get it running

[Thorsen (Aemon)]

You know, reading back through what I wrote it sounds rather harsh... Sorry bout that, didn't mean it to.

If you couldn't tell denial is a serious pet peeve of mine

[Max Liao (Callandryn)]

#1 I'm back in Kuwait. I'll be playing tomorrow night (Kuwaiti time). YAY!!

#2 Aja and Thorsen have put me in a conundrum. Thorsen is right that I would back him up in that playing and using multiple accounts or having multiple access to an account with such power is 'wrong'. However, I have come across two issues now that even make a hardcore purist like me almost want a second account.

First of all, the PA Hall takes up nine (9) of my ten lots. This sucks. This means that for me to get cash I have to kill things or borrow from Col Kodoss (hehe). I don't like being a drain on someone else's ability to make money and improve themselves and the guild. So, I was half tempted to get a second account simply for harvesters.

Also, Aja's idea has merit.

In a perfect world, I could see this as an opportunity to strengthen the guild and to make a player city out of us. But this isn't a perfect world.

Where do we draw the line on second accounts? Anyone who knows me knows I WILL NOT group with anyone who plays two accounts at one time ... you'd best not tell me if you're in LoM doing this because I will ask you to only play one at a time.

My convictions tell me 'no'. But my mind tells me 'yes'. Perhaps it's rationalizing the possibilities ... perhaps it's actually a constructive and good idea for us. For now, I'm going to have to chat with Col Kodoss about his opinion.

#3 Now that I'm back, I have a lot of catching up to do including:
- the webpage,
- LtCol promotion; (Shayla and Aja are not making this choice easy for me).
- the guild move; (I hope someone has checked the PA Hall for maintenance. I don't want to come back to find it *poofed*) ... ala Bladegard!!
- this politician account issue
- Meeting and Greeting the new members
- and other issues.

I can't promise I'll make everyone happy, but know that any decision made is in (what I hope to be) the best interest of LoM.

[Shayla]

Col. Kodoss and I have been keeping the PA up and running. I have also been keeping your Factory running also. So you know if you havnt read the other post I have dropped Med to go to Master Artisan and then to Weaponsmith... Yawn damn I hate grinding but I figure since I am more of a secondary combat that making weapons for you front liners would be the best thing I could do to help you all.

I'm Not sure it all depends on what I want to do after I get master Weaponsmith I might go to politician. That is a maybe I'm not sure it all depends on Points.
Love,
Shayla

[Thorsen (Aemon)]

Now, a second account to act as guild leader, under the sole control of Max I can live with. It's his dime but giveing control of anything more than your personal property to control of an account that has no single responsiblity is just begging for trouble.