Captains Aja and Shayla

[Max Liao (Callandryn)]

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I'm sorry that we didn't discuss this in the Order of Officers forums (on the LoM main forums) for you two to see, but this issue was very sensitive due to his past relationship with many LoM (both WoW and SWG) members.

However, as a LtCol, 2O, and member of the House of Scions this is the type of issue that you'd have to take part in. (Obviously the link above is the 'result' of our discussion, not the discussions themselves.)

Note that since July 15th (when we voten in our first Chancellor) there have only been two issues that we have had to discuss like this. The first was changing the recruitment policy from 30 down to 7 days and the other is was the discussion that lead to the link above.

Yes, you would be required to look at another message board, but as you can see it's not a burden as 'big' things happen pretty rarely.

[Shayla]

Hay its only one more board I have to check. ;D
Shayla

P.S. Damn that sucked... <shrug> Sounds familiar doesn't Callandryn (EQ).

[Aja]

it seems like a pretty heated issue, but am a little confused about the actual events that led to his denial for membership. It seems everyone in that thread already knew what everyone was talking about and didn't get into specifics.

what exactly happened?

[Max Liao (Callandryn)]

I'll be honest, I don't normally talk about info like this outside the proper forums ... as it tends to fuel rumors and info leaks. But since this forum is private, too ... I'll post what I know. Kedryn and Kodoss (or any WoW Leaders who have access) can post more, too. Most of what I say is open information that can be backed up in fact (if not intent).

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I honestly cannot tell you 100% exactly what went on as there are so many stories, back stories, side stories and whatnot that even my knowledge being in the Inner Council of Blade Empire is sketchy at best.

The biggest problem with this is that Blade Empire kept secrets from each other ... I mean the officers hiding info from other officers - (one thing I hope never happens in LoM). Now believe me, I’m not going to pass down every idea, decision, goal, whatever to every member of the guild. There are some things that officers need to keep to themselves in order to both get things done and keep themselves in check, too.

But many of the officers in Blade Empire made so many secret back door deals (amongst each other and behind each others' backs) that I don’t know who was greasing whose palms anymore.

Because of this I was left out of many of the discussions, (especially after Stas - the original leader- left) ... even though my job in Blade Empire was Minister of Justice (I punished people) and had a need to know such information. Not having complete facts makes that job very difficult.

Also as it happened a few months ago, my specific facts may be sketchy, but the intent/attitude of what he was doing cannot be mistaken:

#1: Disobeyed the Guild Leader’s order to not build a personal forge (that he wanted to divert moneys away from the guild to fund his own guild). Using moneys that were intended for the guild, Gimu proceeded to sneak it on to an island north of the guild’s. He was caught. I was the one to dispense his punishment.

#2: Part of his plan was to seduce all those who wanted to be casters into joining his guild as (at the time) Blade Empire (known as Order of the Blade) was a Church guild.

#3: He started subverting people against the leadership by bad mouthing them on the Message Boards and in game. I don’t mean disagreeing ... I mean pure and simple slander. He did a good enough spin job that we did lose a few people, though I must say that not all went to his banner, some simply left.

#4: He disobeyed various direct orders. (Not the least of which came from two members of what is now our own House of Scions).

#5: When he left Blade Empire he sold our secrets to various other guilds (specifically Warrior Nation) for protection so that he could build his own guild. Once he built his guild it’s goal was to topple Blade Empire - though Blade Empire was doing that well enough on its own with an open recruitment policy.

Other notes:
He never followed orders ... i.e. He was told that we were marching to siege. He said no thanks. (Shadowbane is a game based on war and conquest - saying no to war is like saying no to playing the game.)
He got a guild to go to war with us ...
Leaving the guild with bad feeling is ok, but treason (by selling information) is not the same as leaving ...
He wanted power, Stas (leader of Blade Empire) was a good leader and did not give him any ...

This is all I can remember off the top of my head.

An additional bit of info:

For you people who know Deamon, Gimu has asked to join Deamon's Darkfall guild. And Deamon has expressed his 'concern' at that. So, Gimu saying that Deamon pardoned him is rather comical. (Unless Deamon is trying to play both sides against the middle ... which he does know how to do).

[Aja]

damn... don't really see the arguement in booting him. sure, there may be an occasional accusation towards someone that is unfounded, but to be accused of so many things and plead innocence or even leniency is rather pointless.

hell, just someone being a constant source of such bad political and guild related controversy founded or unfounded causes a bad rep for a guild and should be grounds for dismissal. people with undeniable and unquestionable good character are our brethren--team players. certainly not the sounds of this fella.

anyway. does suck when stuff like that comes up, but i think its good for those who abide by the code to see that our rules are enforced and that the code we hold dear is upheld for all to see.

thanks for the full story Callandryn,

Aja

[Rooks (Kedryn)]

well you pretty much sumed it up
this was not someone we wanted in LoM.

[Shayla]

He should have never been given a chance as far as I am conserned. Oh well you know what they say.

Fool me once shame me, Fool me twice shame on you.

Shayla

[Max Liao (Callandryn)]

Fool me once shame me, Fool me twice shame on you.

Uhhhhh ... that's backwards. =P

Fool me once shame you (for tricking me)
Fool me twice shame on me (as I should have known better).

But yout point is taken. hehe